In this episode of the Power for All podcast which is a continuation of the Power for All's integrated energy podcast series, Kristina Skierka, Founder and CEO of Power for All speaks with Riccardo Ridolfi, Chief Executive Officer of Equatorial Power: a mini-grid company that pioneered off-grid electrification and productive with substantial business model innovation focused around closing the agro-processing value gap across rural Africa. Riccardo is also a Board Member of Umeme Ltd, Uganda’s largest distribution utility and Co-founder of EnerGrow. This conversation centers around EP’s journey and business approach, the significance of an integrated approach and partnership for mini-grids to work with the utility. This discussion sheds light on the motivating factor for utilities to see mini-grids as a partner and not as a threat.